2” Burrell water Gauge – new builders note

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2” Burrell water Gauge – new builders note

Post  Big Al on Sat 16 Oct - 18:25

Having fired my engine up a number of times now I still have no confidence in the water guage supplied as standard. Cannot get the frame to stay on and it leaks which gave a false reading and I ended up running out of water and must have been close to blowing the plug so decided to invest in a 3 cock valve as Bungle and a few others I have seen had done. This has the added advantage of being able to shut the valves off if you break the glass.

Returned from midlands show with nice shiny 3 cock valve only to realise that as the lower valve drain cock was silver soldered to the body which meant that I couldn’t remove it and it wouldn’t screw in as this part fouled the horn plates. This has resulted in a major strip down!
At the same time I decide to fit a hand pump so purchased one and now need to decide where to place it. I think amongst the coal would be the best place but where to run the flow pipe is a poser. Any suggestions appreciated.

The reason I publish this was to give advance notice to new builders who are at the stage of fitting the horn plates to the boiler as this is the stage to change the gauge to avoid later strip down. Believe me you don't want to do this,it's a b****y nightmare!
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Post  zzr prid on Sat 16 Oct - 18:49

Big Al wrote:Having fired my engine up a number of times now I still have no confidence in the water guage supplied as standard. Cannot get the frame to stay on and it leaks which gave a false reading and I ended up running out of water and must have been close to blowing the plug so decided to invest in a 3 cock valve as Bungle and a few others I have seen had done. This has the added advantage of being able to shut the valves off if you break the glass.

Returned from midlands show with nice shiny 3 cock valve only to realise that as the lower valve drain cock was silver soldered to the body which meant that I couldn’t remove it and it wouldn’t screw in as this part fouled the horn plates. This has resulted in a major strip down!
At the same time I decide to fit a hand pump so purchased one and now need to decide where to place it. I think amongst the coal would be the best place but where to run the flow pipe is a poser. Any suggestions appreciated.

The reason I publish this was to give advance notice to new builders who are at the stage of fitting the horn plates to the boiler as this is the stage to change the gauge to avoid later strip down. Believe me you don't want to do this,it's a b****y nightmare!
Al

Is this a common problem ? If so where could i get a 3 cock valve ?

Thanks

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Post  LilyJack on Sun 17 Oct - 11:14

Eyup Al'

I've managed to "aquire" a second hand air cylinder which will fit just nicely on the engine, the location? Not quite certain as yet but I feel I'll be stickin it on the "inside left" tender panel between the bunker and the firebox, there's plenty of room there and the water will be easyish to get at, as for where I'm thinking of putting the pumped water, I'm considering a t-off from the waterpump to boiler feed pipe with a non-return valve in place. Any thoughts?

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Post  Frostie on Thu 25 Nov - 13:47

Al,

Where did you get your water gauge from ??? and can you give me details of the hand pump that you bought .
I see that there are triple cock water gauges in the Polymodels catalogue but dont know if they will fit or not!!
Can anyone help ??

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Post  chrisnchrisroberts on Thu 25 Nov - 21:24

Do not despair about your gauge glass, they are a pain on real time boilers too. At one power station I worked at, it was decided to leave all the gauge glasses isolated as more time was being spent fixing them only for them to fail again. The electronic reading was so good we were allowed to leave the gauge glasses isolated.

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Re: 2” Burrell water Gauge – new builders note

Post  Big Al on Fri 26 Nov - 6:31

Frostie

Got mine over the counter at Blackgate engineering from Midlands Model exhibition, It was a 3/8 x 32 thread and the small version with left hand cocks(originally designed for the winston steam engine) with a 5mm glass. the body on this one is smaller than standard and looks better. There are other suppliers who do a similar style, Bungle got one from M J Engineering I think, but had to wait about 3 months till it got built

You will need to engineer an adapter for the top fitting.
You will also need a small piece of pipe for the drain as it is quite small.

I will endeavour to get a photo on site of mine to show the adaptor. The protector gauge STW supply seems to fit this guage as well

Shame we haven't got an eletrical sensor and could do away with it !

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Post  Frostie on Fri 26 Nov - 7:01

Cheers Al

I see that Polymodel do a gauge (winson) to the same specs, I think that I will look around for the best option, then get a triple cock gauge, having said that I dont see why an electrical sensor cant be fitted !!! I am at the stage that this could well be possible, I wonder what the boiler steam test examiner would say if an elecktrickery one was fitted !!!!
I would appreeciate any pics you could get showing your installation mate.
How big is your hand pump ???

thansk for youe help

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Post  hughb on Sat 27 Nov - 19:29

Hi guys
This thred has intred me a lot Question Have you beeable to get a pic yet . Question

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Post  Frostie on Sun 28 Nov - 5:22

Hugh,

Are you using the kit supplied watergauge ??

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Post  hughb on Sun 28 Nov - 9:59

YEs I am it has busted the glass 3 times .But that my of been my set up {mostlikly}

But my engin is now not working as the whisel has blowen and will not work at all?

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Post  Frostie on Sun 28 Nov - 10:37

Hugh,

What the heck happened to your whistle, and how come you cant isolate it and use the engine ?
I am just about to order a stack of bits from Polymodel including a new water gauge, I hope that Al can post some pics of his water gauge installation soon so that I know what I will have to adapt, Roll on the 15th when I get back home to continue the build

Malc

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Post  Big Al on Sun 28 Nov - 13:28

Here are the photos I promised

The top one shows the adaptor I had to make, the top part of the guage with the 3/8 x 32 thread has a flat face and as the pipe connecting it to the boiler has a conical fit the 2 would not meet, also the original had a locking ring on it and there is not enough thread to get a lock ring and method to attached a steam tight fitting to the boiler pipe

I managed to make an adaptor that not only fits up against the top guage seal but also is tight enough to hold the top assembly rigid against the mounting bracket using a very thin washer

I had to put a slight bend in the boiler pipe as it protruded too far with the adaptor fitted so I angled the elbow from the boiler round a bit and re shaped the pipe

The bottom fitting you may need to shorten a bit to get it all to line up

As you can see by the second image, as the drain pipe cock is soldered to the bottom body you cannot just wind it on the the extention, It a whole hornplate removal which is why it looks a bit scratched and will have to be beautified again. Sad

The whole lot can be done for under £100 as you will need to silver solder a smaller diameter pipe to the drain valve and buy the taps and dies if you haven't got any. Mine are up for loan if anyone wants Very Happy

I also got a hand pump and I'll upload that later. It is a 1/2 " bore which I was told should be enough

cheers

Alan





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Post  hughb on Sun 28 Nov - 13:39

Frostie wrote:Hugh,

What the heck happened to your whistle, and how come you cant isolate it and use the engine ?

Malc

Hi Will all was going well My club did the tests and also a frend did a lot of work affraid
And in the end he came over and we ran my engine for the first time Very Happy Shocked .
BUt not so long ago now I ran just by my self.......HUM
Well all was going well the prescher vavle went off .Big shock affraid well it is doing ti's job .
But then the wisel let all the steam go ?????????? but did not whisel .So it is off and took apart.
I do not get it put together as book ,pluss cheked it, but still not working ....

So I have give STW a bell and maybe send it in the post..
Ho yes I bet it is something small

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Post  hughb on Sun 28 Nov - 13:42

Hi AL

Thanks for the pics it looks tight in there on the ball vavle but do like it good luck on the
butfing job

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Post  andyc on Sun 28 Nov - 15:27

Hi,

Has anyone spoken to the factory about these gauges. Even though i want my engine to work correctly ( when i finally get round to doing some more on it ) part of me feels that the money i have paid should obtain me all the bits to build a safe and correctly working engine.

I was just interested to get STW's thoughts on this becuase if the gauges are defective i would expect them to be replaced rather than having to source one from elsewhere.

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