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FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  miller on Sat 13 Mar 2010, 12:07 am

we are now working on kit 4. there is very little to do and we are expecting some laser cuts on Wednesday. if we get these the kit should go out at the end of next week or possibly the start of the following week, we don't want to be rushing at the packing stage again Rolling Eyes

kit 5 is mainly in stock, (brake drums etc) with just a few bought in parts to order. we will be looking at this on Monday and i'll have more info then.

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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  miller on Mon 15 Mar 2010, 11:29 am

the laser cuts arrived today for kit 4...



just need to shape these and finish a few little manual jobs and the kit will be done. i would guess at the end of the week.

kit 5 is going to need a bit more work. the rear hubs for the SWB and arctic versions are different so we will have to make these from scratch.

i'll post more info when i have it.

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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  miller on Wed 17 Mar 2010, 2:49 pm

kit 4 is all but ready to go. we are waiting for some M12 washers to arrive tomorrow (ours were too thick) and the instructions need printing, apart from that it's ready to go in the boxes....





this could possibly go out tomorrow (Thursday) but we don't want to rush things, i would rather i went out on Friday and be packed correctly Cool

here's some "control model" photos.







Kit 5 needs a bit more work, mainly the rear drive hubs, as they are different on the SWB/arctic version. we also need to order a lot of wheels and tyres.

we have started on a few of the bits, here are the rear hub caps as we were about 7 short of these....



and no, still no word on the boiler cradles, sorry Embarassed

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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  Vapor on Thu 18 Mar 2010, 3:27 am

" kit 4 is all but ready to go. we are waiting for some M12 washers to arrive tomorrow (ours were too thick)


I bet Dean ordered them lol! lol!

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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  miller on Thu 18 Mar 2010, 10:05 am

no, they were standard 2mm thick washers, we have 100's of them, have had them for years. we needed to get 1.5mm Rolling Eyes

oh yes, this kit has now gone out cheers

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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  Vapor on Sun 21 Mar 2010, 10:21 am

Craig,

I spotted the deliberate mistake, I found the back axel in the bubble wrap marked "Front Axle" Twisted Evil Smile

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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  miller on Sun 21 Mar 2010, 12:36 pm

mmm, looks like we need to make some staff members a bit more familiar with the designs Embarassed Rolling Eyes

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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  miller on Tue 23 Mar 2010, 11:51 am

more work done on kit 5 Cool

rear hub caps finished...



double wheel adapter on the Mill...



blank and finished parts...



the material for the rear hubs and wheel nuts arrived today and the wheels and tyres (all 60 of them !!!) are on order, so we should see this kit coming together quite soon Cool

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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  miller on Sat 27 Mar 2010, 2:19 am

new rear hubs are now well into production...



and some laser cut parts arrived with the showman's stuff.

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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  Vapor on Sun 28 Mar 2010, 3:47 am

Craig,

Excellent photos, these really help as they tend to add something the ISO's cannot thereby making the build much more pleasurable keep up the very fine works (all of you, including Dean), now all we need is a boiler cradle

Ian


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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  miller on Fri 02 Apr 2010, 2:54 am

we will soon have this kit complete.

wheels and tyres are now in...



simple turned parts, like wheels nuts are underway...



and the hubs are now on the milling machine.

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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  Vapor on Fri 02 Apr 2010, 5:32 am

Whoopee, soon have a rolling chassis, keep up the good work lads (and Dean) just think if you was working over the weekend you could get it done even faster Twisted Evil

I still thing the rolling chassis would look better with a boiler cradle Laughing

Have a good weekend all at STW.

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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  miller on Wed 07 Apr 2010, 10:45 am

we are aiming to get kit 5 out at the end of the week, and i cant see any real problem with this Cool

i spent all day today doing the last few manual jobs and we should get the control model together tomorrow.

rear hubs being broached...



boxes and wheels waiting in the packing area...



all i can tell you about the boiler cradle it that it's on its way

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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  miller on Fri 09 Apr 2010, 1:13 pm

Kit 5 went out today as planed Cool

here's a few photos of the control model...









i think the next kit is going to be the boilers, so lets hope those cradles turn up soon Rolling Eyes

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Foden SWB kit 05

Post  atomenter on Fri 09 Apr 2010, 3:31 pm

Hi Craig
Looks very good so far. I may have to make a wooden boiler cradle to get the kit mobile. Only question I have is where and how are the brakes fitted? I presume the rear brake band is, as described, a parking brake only.

Keep up the good work, it is great being able to see all the bits being manufactured.

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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  miller on Sat 10 Apr 2010, 1:17 am

atomenter wrote:Hi Craig
Only question I have is where and how are the brakes fitted? I presume the rear brake band is, as described, a parking brake only.

i asked the very same question and the brake band is the one and only brake. apparently it will be enough Cool

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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  Vapor on Wed 14 Apr 2010, 7:55 am

Hi Craig,

Can you throw any light on what is in Kit 6, we seem to have got to the Kit 6 stage with Kit 5 according to the previously issued leaflet, the wheels which came with Kit 5 were supposed to be in Kit 6.

I think either Dean or Steve mentioned something about the boiler maybe for Kit 6, I assume this would be Kit 6 & 7 (does the boiler still span two kits??).

Also while on that subject assuming that the boiler is next can this be fitted without the smoke box as it would appear the smoke box is not due until kit 9 from memory.

Just looking for some info please.

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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  tef 20 on Wed 14 Apr 2010, 9:53 am

Ian assuming the SWB foden shares the same front end as the c type foden then the boiler can be fitted without the smoke box.






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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  miller on Wed 14 Apr 2010, 10:07 am

we are currently working on this now Ian.

it's all because the STW version is spread over less kits (28 down to 24 off the top of my head). Steve has been working through the kits, trying to compress them without making one kit too large or another too small. this is why you have kit 6 part numbers in your kit 5's. to re-number everything would be more work than you could imagine due to it all being linked in solidworks.

we are supposed to/have been contacting all customers to gauge their views on the next kit being "one of the boiler payments" but im not sure if this means you will actually be getting the boiler, dean will have to clarify that.

the next kit we are looking at regards "production" will be the steering parts and possibly water tanks. as a said we are working this out now so i'll give details when we have them.

it seems that the casting delivery times are affecting a few of the models at the moment, the Showman's being a real pain it the ... Rolling Eyes

we are very conscious that from the outside things are looking a bit disorganised at the moment, but really it's all down to dealing with new suppliers on the other side of the world, unlike the laser cut stuff, we can't get in the car and go pick them up.
it seems their quoted delivery times have been a little "off". but then anyone who has seen some of the modelworks castings will hopefully agree that the new stuff is a step in the right direction and worth waiting for.

and yes, front ends are the same

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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  Vapor on Thu 15 Apr 2010, 12:28 am

Craig,

Thanks for the update that explains a lot, when your on the outside looking in it's not always clear why things are done the way they are, thanks again for the explaination.

Mark (TEF)

Thanks for the heads up one photo can be worth a thousand words, am I right in assuming that your "C" type has front drum brakes, which no doubt be hydraulic if so how are these opperated ?? I also have to ask why these are not nessassery for the "SWB" & "Artic" perhaps someone can clarify this.

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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  Steam Traction World on Thu 15 Apr 2010, 12:43 am

Ian,

Last summmer at the Tewkwsbury rally Steve had a drive of one of the Foden's that had had the front brake drums removed and the band brake upgraded. This had been done by the customer to improve the overall appearance (scale wise the front wheels are to wide once the drums were in place) and also to remove some of the stiffness when trying to steer the engine. Steve was suitably impressed and felt it didn't take anything away from the stopping ability so incorporated it into the design. (adding the double wheels at the back also makes a huge difference on the appearance).

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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  Vapor on Thu 15 Apr 2010, 12:48 am

Thanks Dean,

See I knew there would be a reason but I had to ask what it was, so now I and others know Very Happy Very Happy

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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  tef 20 on Thu 15 Apr 2010, 11:09 am

Yep hydraulic drum brakes and they are opertated by a foot pedal located in the footwell on the left hand side.
I am not sure if it is nessesary or not yet as i havent got the foden back to try it but i have heard mixed reports from owners with and with out drum brakes.


Craig I would be very interested to know if you have used the same rear axle and hubs on the swb forden as the c type as i would like to change the single wheel on the back to double wheels. I wonder if this is possable or not?



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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  miller on Thu 15 Apr 2010, 11:21 am

hubs are different and the axle boxes (Axel boxes are cut down), not sure about the axles, I'm sure they are the same but not 100%. brake band hanger is also different. wheel centre covers are also different as the wheel rim is larger

it's all about bringing the hubs in closer to allow for the double wheels, but not fouling on the Axel boxes and springs. you also have some rather large spacers to bolt the two wheels together.

im sure we have enough "extra" parts in stock to be able to do at least one conversion kit, we will need to modify another pair of Axel boxes though. if your really serious about doing it im sure Dean would be happy to put something together, he never turns down a sale no mater how small, and quite rightly so.

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Re: FODEN KIT 4 AND 5

Post  tef 20 on Thu 15 Apr 2010, 12:29 pm

Thanks for that Craig but the amount of money i have spent on the burrell and foden in the last 6 months is crazy and i think i would be single again if i spent any more or it Shocked If it was just wheels and hubs i might of thought about it but it seems a lot of work to change it all and its only just been finished.



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