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Foden Rear Wheels

Post  hartshaulage on Sun 19 Oct 2014, 5:51 am

Hi all when tightened up the outer rear wheel on my foden lorry is really hard up against the inner wheel, is this how there supposed to be?

If so wont that generate a lot of heat on both the rear tyres?

Thanks Russ

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Re: Foden Rear Wheels

Post  phil gomez on Wed 22 Oct 2014, 7:11 am

Hi Russ.
Did you get an answer on your outer rear wheel problem?
Interested.

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Re: Foden Rear Wheels

Post  Vapor on Wed 22 Oct 2014, 7:20 am

Mine is the same and I haven't had any problems.

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Post  hartshaulage on Wed 22 Oct 2014, 10:46 am

Hi Phil i hadn't until just now and i thank you Vapor

I think im goign to remake the spacers any way to make it look more realistic and have a small gap between the wheels

Russ

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Re: Foden Rear Wheels

Post  phil gomez on Wed 22 Oct 2014, 10:11 pm

Hi Russ.
Would it be possible to post pictures of the modified rear wheel spacers when completed.
P.S.
What size screw thread are the rear wheel spacers? plus are them mid steel or bronze or some sort alloy? (sorry about all the questions).
Thanks.

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Re: Foden Rear Wheels

Post  hartshaulage on Thu 23 Oct 2014, 11:12 am

Hi Phil

Yes it will be possible though you wont see much difference between the ones STW supplied and the ones i am making, the only thing that will change is they will be longer, but i shall get some comparison shots hopefully this weekend, of the way the wheels sit on both sides and the difference in spacers and the way i am holding them on, as due to the fact i am fitting the same trims as the front on the back just in reverse to create the authentic dished wheel look i cannot fit the special nuts on the outer wheel so they will have to go on the inner wheel, this means i shall have to drill the wheel to put two bolts through so i can hold the wheel trim on. (This is all theory atm as i currently don't have the trims to size up fitment)

I will also find out what size thread they are as there is two different sizes, there is one that is on a Course Taper Bolt that holds the spacers to the backing plate, Then there is another which i think is also course that the wheel slides over and the wheel nut goes onto, Im sure that the backing plate and the new spacers i am making are Mid steel.

No worries about the questions ill do my best to answer them, as i am still learning my self

Russ

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Re: Foden Rear Wheels

Post  phil gomez on Thu 23 Oct 2014, 12:51 pm

Thanks Russ.

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Re: Foden Rear Wheels

Post  Ian on Fri 24 Oct 2014, 3:49 am

M8 one end 3/8 UNF the other

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Re: Foden Rear Wheels

Post  hartshaulage on Fri 24 Oct 2014, 1:21 pm

Ian wrote:M8 one end 3/8 UNF the other

Thank you for that Ian, i was going to post up tonight about the threads as myself and my dad have made one new spacer tapped it and fitted it and already the way the wheels sit are better

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Re: Foden Rear Wheels

Post  hartshaulage on Sun 02 Nov 2014, 4:49 am

As promised here are some pictures of the new spacers

This is how the wheels look when i used steam traction worlds ( I haven't got a comparison with the new ones fitted as there still being machined)





As can be seen the outer tyre is hard up against the inner and it also has pushed the tyre's slightly out of shape

So thanks to dads help we have made new spacers that are in total 100mm in length, we have also made all the studs on the end stick out 22mm instead of 25mm & 45mm like STW recommended in the instructions this was done for hopefully another modification.

One part lathed and one unlathed spacer



Another shot of the part lathed one



This is the first one completed that was our test one, as it was a success the other seven were started on



Here is a comparison to the new ones made and the ones STW supplied



Once i have four made i shall post pictures of the wheels fitted and you will see there is a gap between the wheels, I will also need to cut and re shape the chamfer on the special nuts as i plan on fitting some front trims turned backwards to imitate the dished wheel of the full size engines, along with the brass hubs i have made.

Its a lot of work and takes a lot of time but hopefully it will make my model slightly different to the rest

Russ

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Post  atomenter on Sun 02 Nov 2014, 5:10 am

Hi Russ
Wheel spacers look good.  The only problem I had with the tyres is that they tend to pick up stones between them when driving on loose surfaces, some of them are big enough to cause a bumpy ride when you go back on to tarmac!! It could do with a blade between the wheels to knock them out.
As long as the tyres are both inflated gradually then I have not noticed any distortion.

I have attached a pic of mine alongside Merlin, a full size version.  I like your idea of making the rear wheels look dished just like the full size.


All the best
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Re: Foden Rear Wheels

Post  phil gomez on Sun 02 Nov 2014, 11:59 am

Hi Russ.
Thanks for the up-date on your rear wheels, looking good
Look forward seeing the end result.
I'm have to wait to the end of this month for my first kit (just like waiting for Christmas) very exciting.
What a lovely picture of your wagon Tom, looking very smart.
Well done Tom.

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Re: Foden Rear Wheels

Post  hartshaulage on Sun 16 Nov 2014, 11:24 am

Finally i have the new spacers finished and fitted, i shall post the pictures here of the wheels and the rest of the trims in my build diary

Here are four of the new spacers the small bolts are to hold the wheel trim on as there wasn't enough space to use the special nuts supplied by stw



here is both rear wheels fitted as can be seen there is a slight gap between both tires hopefully minimizing the risk of getting things stuck in there and allowing for expansion when running



Russ

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Re: Foden Rear Wheels

Post  phil gomez on Sun 16 Nov 2014, 10:21 pm

Hi Russ (again).
Thanks for posting your pictures of your wheel modification.
I must say looking at both pictures the mod one looks better.
Thanks again.

Phil.

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Keep the pictures coming.

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Re: Foden Rear Wheels

Post  Steam Traction World on Mon 17 Nov 2014, 12:43 am

Hi Russ,

I'm sure there was a reason they were supplied together rather than a gap. Guessing it's something to do with a clearance or interference. Steve's not in work yet but when he gets in i will run what you've done passed him just so he can clarify it's okay.

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Re: Foden Rear Wheels

Post  hartshaulage on Tue 18 Nov 2014, 3:01 am

Hi dean

thank you for your reply, i am curious as to the reasons there was no gap between both wheels and look forwarward to hearing from yourself or steve

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Post  Steam Traction World on Wed 19 Nov 2014, 12:22 am

Hi Russ,

After speaking to Steve, it was as i'd guessed.....he didn't put a gap between the wheel/tyres as it will forever be picking up stones and pebbles etc and is awkward to then get to. We learnt on the vulcanised wheels on the traction engines that the bigger the gap the more frustrating it was for the builder, even to the point where some builders resorted to filling the gap with a rubber sealer to reduce the amount of times they pick the stones out. You also need to bear in mind that sharp stones etc can also cut or damage the tyre while stuck in the gap when you are travelling along at 15mph.

Hope this helps.

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Post  atomenter on Wed 19 Nov 2014, 12:40 am

Hi Dean/Russ
The tyres as originally fitted still manage to pick up stones on rough surfaces and can go unnoticed until you drive back on smooth surfaces like tarmac.  Something like a bench saw riving knife hanging between the tyres would help!!
All the best
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Re: Foden Rear Wheels

Post  Vapor on Wed 19 Nov 2014, 2:23 am

Gap or no gap that is the question confused

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Re: Foden Rear Wheels

Post  hartshaulage on Wed 19 Nov 2014, 10:24 am

Thank you dean for the reply, I remember you saying about that issue further up Tom, I think the question to gap or not to gap confused balls down to personal preference, im sticking with the gap between the tires purely for the authentic look, I still have all the bits from STW and its only a case of unscrew a few bits and change back should i encounter any problems, hopefully this wont be the case as Ive stuck to STW's design just made them longer to create a gap

Russ

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