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POR 15 Fuel Tank Sealer

Post  Ptolomy on Wed 07 Aug 2013, 1:45 pm

Folks,

Alas I have a sorry tale to tell.

I recently ordered three cans of POR 15 Fuel Tank Sealer along with Marine Clean and Prep and Ready. I followed the instructions and prepared both of my 6" Foden tanks in exactly the same way. When I got to the sealing stage I opened one can, stirred it thouroughly and tipped the contents into the rear tank. I sloshed it around inside the tank thoroughly coating all sides and then tipped out the excess. It cured lovely and was a smashing job.... or so I thought.

I then did the second, front tank. To my surprise, not having used this product before, the second tins' contents was different in colour and consistency. Anyway I applied it to the interior of the front tank just as I had done the rear tank and aside from a lump or two (which I am sorting out) achieved a good result.

So where's the problem? The first tank was sealed with a black product. The tin says it should be silver grey as is the case with the second can. So whats in the colour. Well some three weeks after applying it it has begun to crack. New cracks appear daily and the exisiting ones get bigger. I have no choice but to strip the tank and start again.

I am told by the uk company who supplied it that it is the real mcCoy, just a black version and passed all their QA checks. However, this evening I have called the manufacturer in the states and they say that fuel tank sealer is definitly silver-grey and ther is no, nor was there ever, a black version. They think that what I in fact have had is rust preventative paint. This is not what it says on the tin.

Needless to say I have emailed to company who supplied it again and await their response - but whatever the outcome I have a messy and time consuming job which I really could do without. The batch number for the can with black contents is 318202 and is on a white label on the tin lid.

Oh well these things come to try us.

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Re: POR 15 Fuel Tank Sealer

Post  Ptolomy on Wed 07 Aug 2013, 1:53 pm

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Re: POR 15 Fuel Tank Sealer

Post  Robfishman on Wed 07 Aug 2013, 4:38 pm

I had problems with the stuff as well and speaking to the classic car guys there was a very mixed opinion. Many seem now to be using Hydrate 80, I stuck with POR as I had brought the stuff and brush applied it. This seemed to work better and was far more controlled.

I sympathise and hope you get it cleaned off and reapplied without to much of a trouble. Will bd interesting to see if the UK supplier accepts responsibility.

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Re: POR 15 Fuel Tank Sealer

Post  Ptolomy on Thu 08 Aug 2013, 11:53 am

Turns out it can was mislabelled and whatever is lining the tank it certainly aint fuel tank sealer. More crackes appeared today. Hmmmm....... think there is a QA issue here. So if you have a can with the same batch number as my previous post and you havent opened it it might be an idea to contact the supplier.

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Post  iain on Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:20 am

I was just about to order some for my foden! doesnt sound good. With the foden tanks being fully welded i dont evny you getting it all out Sad

I may go back to my plan of getting them galvanized or look into the other product.

Rob, unfortunately there is no way to brush it on with the fodens. There is only a small (ish) access hole to get in.

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Post  iain on Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:25 am

Looks much cheaper as well!

http://www.bilthamber.com/hydrate-80


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Re: POR 15 Fuel Tank Sealer

Post  Ptolomy on Mon 12 Aug 2013, 11:01 am

Well the latest is that even more cracks are appearing and the existing ones continue to propagate. Over the weekend I was at a steam event over in stowmarket driving a Robey Showman's (full size) and great fun it was too. Whilst there I met ups with a few other steam enthusiasts including another Foden 6" builder and the concensus was that somehow I need to remove the existing coating totally (and have confidence in that) or.... get a new tank.

Today I learned (as I suspected) that POR-strip which is recommended as the only product for its removal, is not (or should not be) available to domestic customers and even if it was, the product is chlorinated waste which means you cant simply pour it down the drain. The active component which is essential for strpping the tank is dichloromethane which is a banned substance in the domestic market. So unless I can find a professional stripping company with a managed waste stream or an alternative solvent (and a lot of hard graft) the tank is probably a write off. The only other possibility perhaps is to warm it up but as I dont know what the balck stuff is exactly ,I dont know if it will giive off toxic fumes and the tank would have to be heated from the outside in which might not do the tank much good either.

I am awaiting a view from the manufacturer as to the way forward in their view.... patience is a virtue!

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Post  highpressure on Mon 12 Aug 2013, 11:59 am

I would hope someone from the manufacturers replaces the tank, I dont see that you should have to shell out for it. If not they should try and organise a compnay to deal with the crap job of sorting the mess out. I for one would be incandescant by now Evil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad

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Post  Robfishman on Mon 12 Aug 2013, 2:23 pm

As they only sell to the "professionals" can they not recommend a contractor to carry out the work. They must know who they supply it to, both locally and nationally.

I'm with Kevin, but I suspect they will only want to cover the cost of the material itself. I see a letter being sent to them with a copy to a few specialist magazines on the horizon!!

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and the silence is deafening...

Post  Ptolomy on Fri 16 Aug 2013, 7:34 am

As promised an update..... except there is no update really.

I was promised a reply on Monday when the supplier contacted the manufacturer of POR-15 in the states. Alas it was not forthcoming. I called the supplier on Tuesday and was assured that they would give me a response that day, but there initial thought was to supply the stipper (which is a hazardous substance and is industrial effluent which needs a managed disposal route) and a 'repair' kit. My initial reaction to that and remains 'no way'. I failed to get any response ion Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or today.

I can find no commercial strippers prepared to tackle the coating removal (not least becasue I dont know what it is), so the only alternative is probably to bite the bullet and have a new tank made and scrap the existing one. Bit extreme but it doesnt look like I am going to get a very staisfactory resolution to it especially considereing that I have just called the supplier to find the guy dealing with it is on holiday again (as he was last week) and no one else is in a position to help.

We all put faith in manufacturers products and expect to be supplied with what we ask for. In this case even when I pointed out that something was clearly wrong it was still claimed that the product passed all its QA checks. I'm just so glad they dont manufacture food or medicines. Needless to say I am considering all the options but I doubt this will resolve any time soon and I fear that in reality I will end up being out of pocket and expending a lot of time resolviong the issue

Ah well at least I have a smokebox to play with to take my mind off it!


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Re: POR 15 Fuel Tank Sealer

Post  Steam Traction World on Fri 16 Aug 2013, 9:49 am

We'll phone Frosts next week to see if we can put some pressure on them. If not then they won't get very many referals from us in the future. In fairness to them this is the first time we've heard of any issues regarding the products they sell. We all know things go wrong from time to time but its how you respond to the problems and in this case they haven't done very well.

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Post  Robfishman on Fri 16 Aug 2013, 12:42 pm

Thanks Steve

Ill second that they have been very good, but then I've not had any problems as yet. †If it helps i have spent just under £400 with them in the last 18 months. Not much I know but multiply even half that by the number of builders and that's a big chunk of turnover. † About to order some hydraulic skates from them to move the engine round and get it out the workshop and down the path (tight corner) which would almost double it. † But just as easy to go elsewhere if they won't come to the table. It may help for them to realise what your recommendations are worth.

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Post  Ptolomy on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 11:44 am

Thanks Steve, it would be very much appreciated. I've no doubt that their usual service is good, very good and assuming we can get thsi problem sorted in a practical way I would probably order again - I just need to get this problem resolved and then move on. It is worth noting of course that the origianl fault was not with Frosts but the manufacturers in the states.

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