Kit 24 - Govenor and Saftey valve
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Kit 24 - Govenor and Saftey valve
Got mine today - fiddley little lot!
Couple of points - The horizontal bevel and Vertical bevels are in the wrong packages - they are arse about face
My kit didn't contain an oiler (page 3 end of second paragraph) and it's not listed on packaging. Anyone else missing one?
Keep it cool, have fun
Alan
Couple of points - The horizontal bevel and Vertical bevels are in the wrong packages - they are arse about face
My kit didn't contain an oiler (page 3 end of second paragraph) and it's not listed on packaging. Anyone else missing one?
Keep it cool, have fun
Alan
Big Al- Number of posts: 86
Age: 55
Location: Oxford, England (2" Burrell)
Registration date: 2008-06-18
Re: Kit 24 - Govenor and Saftey valve
had al look in my box and I have not got one either 

Vapor- Number of posts: 96
Age: 99
Location: Isle of Wight (2" Burrell & 5" Duchess ex MW)
Registration date: 2008-06-18
Re: Kit 24 - Govenor and Saftey valve
kit arrived this morning, no Oiler here either... could do with a magnifying glass too!
forge- Number of posts: 36
Location: Norfolk (2" Burrell)
Registration date: 2008-07-01
Re: Kit 24 - Govenor and Saftey valve
Recieved my kit this morning and on checking everything matched the parts list but the oiler shown on the drawings has not been included,
Malcolm
Malcolm
malcolm- Number of posts: 13
Location: Holbeach, Lincolnshire [ 2" Burrell ]
Registration date: 2008-06-17
Re Kit 24 - Vertcal Bevel
Ok guys - buggered it up already
Followed instructions and countersunk the 3 holes in the Vertical bevel now cant get the M2 x 6csk screws to take up the thread again
Decided it is because the countersink has burred the threads over so need to run a tap through the holes again. Can anyone tell me if the below tap is the right size?
Metric 2.0 x 0.40 course as advertised on maidstone engineerings site
http://shop.maidstone-engineering.co.uk/?mod=product&cat_id=4&product_id=2036
cheers
Alan
Followed instructions and countersunk the 3 holes in the Vertical bevel now cant get the M2 x 6csk screws to take up the thread again
Decided it is because the countersink has burred the threads over so need to run a tap through the holes again. Can anyone tell me if the below tap is the right size?
Metric 2.0 x 0.40 course as advertised on maidstone engineerings site
http://shop.maidstone-engineering.co.uk/?mod=product&cat_id=4&product_id=2036
cheers
Alan
Big Al- Number of posts: 86
Age: 55
Location: Oxford, England (2" Burrell)
Registration date: 2008-06-18
Re: Kit 24 - Govenor and Saftey valve
Big Al,
call tracy tools, they have every size and style of tap, die, reamer and drills. They have a website but you have to order oer the phone.
call tracy tools, they have every size and style of tap, die, reamer and drills. They have a website but you have to order oer the phone.
forge- Number of posts: 36
Location: Norfolk (2" Burrell)
Registration date: 2008-07-01
Re: Kit 24 - Govenor and Saftey valve
On reading through the governor build instructions this morning I noticed that two thirds of the way down page 2 it says screw the governor top [BU22409] through the brass washer BU22441] but there is not a brass washer supplied nor is it listed in the parts and packing list. Has anyone else found this part?
Malcolm
Malcolm
malcolm- Number of posts: 13
Location: Holbeach, Lincolnshire [ 2" Burrell ]
Registration date: 2008-06-17
Re: Kit 24 - Govenor and Saftey valve
Big Al',
Are they blind holes with the threads? Just asking coz ya could stick the screws in from the "other side" to cut the threads again?
LilyJack
Are they blind holes with the threads? Just asking coz ya could stick the screws in from the "other side" to cut the threads again?
LilyJack
LilyJack- Number of posts: 115
Location: UK
Registration date: 2009-04-01
Re: Kit 24 - Govenor and Saftey valve
HI GUYS, WE GOT YOUR KIT YESTERDAY, ONLY HAD CHANCE TO OPEN THE BOX AND PEER IN. DOES LOOK LIKE SOME TINY PARTS, FOR MY SAUSAGE FINGERS !!! NOT CHECKED THE PARTS OFF, BUT AS THE OILER SEEMS TO MISSING FROM ALL THE KITS, FROM READING THE ABOVE, NO DOUBT THE GUYS WILL SORT THIS FOR US.
KINDA LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING THIS ONE, AS IT LOOKS LIKE A SIT AT THE BENCH TO PUT THE WHOLE ASSEMBLY TOGETHER TYPE DEAL, MY OLD LEGS SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT !!
HAPPY BUILDING GUYS, AL, THANKS FOR THE HEAD UPS ON YOUR PROB, WE'LL LOOK OUT FOR THAT.
REGARDS
BUNGLE
KINDA LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING THIS ONE, AS IT LOOKS LIKE A SIT AT THE BENCH TO PUT THE WHOLE ASSEMBLY TOGETHER TYPE DEAL, MY OLD LEGS SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT !!
HAPPY BUILDING GUYS, AL, THANKS FOR THE HEAD UPS ON YOUR PROB, WE'LL LOOK OUT FOR THAT.
REGARDS
BUNGLE
BUNGLE- Number of posts: 216
Age: 51
Location: HERTS (2" BURRELL)
Registration date: 2008-06-17
Re : Kit 24 - Govenor and Saftey valve
Lilyjack - No chance - look at the production site and you will see the vertical bevels and 3 holes that thread towards the centre need countersinking
For all others of us. I have an idea you may want to consider if you haven't already countersunk the holes. The problem being the threads are so fine the pressure of the contersunk 'bends' them so you wont get the screws to start. The screws are very fiddly as you will have all found out. I have no choice but to run a tap back through BUT If you screw a small grub screw in the hole first (I found a couple of ones I hadn't used) so that the level of the head is deeper than the countersink depth. When you have used the countersink you may be able to unsrew the grub screw thus re defining the thread. If you cant then keep winding the grub screw in till it comes out in the centre of the bevel and get a tap like me
A thought has just inspired me to consider trying to 'unscrew' the grub screw starting from the inside the bevel to re cut the thread on it's way out. I'll try it tonight. Brilliant idea if it works !!
Alan
For all others of us. I have an idea you may want to consider if you haven't already countersunk the holes. The problem being the threads are so fine the pressure of the contersunk 'bends' them so you wont get the screws to start. The screws are very fiddly as you will have all found out. I have no choice but to run a tap back through BUT If you screw a small grub screw in the hole first (I found a couple of ones I hadn't used) so that the level of the head is deeper than the countersink depth. When you have used the countersink you may be able to unsrew the grub screw thus re defining the thread. If you cant then keep winding the grub screw in till it comes out in the centre of the bevel and get a tap like me
A thought has just inspired me to consider trying to 'unscrew' the grub screw starting from the inside the bevel to re cut the thread on it's way out. I'll try it tonight. Brilliant idea if it works !!
Alan
Big Al- Number of posts: 86
Age: 55
Location: Oxford, England (2" Burrell)
Registration date: 2008-06-18
Re: Kit 24 - Govenor and Saftey valve
Show off, I think that "not so big al" just likes "screwing" 

Vapor- Number of posts: 96
Age: 99
Location: Isle of Wight (2" Burrell & 5" Duchess ex MW)
Registration date: 2008-06-18
Re: Kit 24 - Govenor and Saftey valve
Is it ok/ possible to strip down the saftey valves for painting without adjusting the pressure setting nut?
forge- Number of posts: 36
Location: Norfolk (2" Burrell)
Registration date: 2008-07-01
Re: Kit 24 - Govenor and Saftey valve
HI GUYS,
VAPOR, I THINK THATS HOW AL LOST THE WEIGHT !!!!!!!
FORGE, I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT QUESTION TOO, KINDA WORRIED ABOUT ASKING SIMPLE QUESTIONS ANYMORE !!!!!!!! LOL
REGARDS
BUNGLE
VAPOR, I THINK THATS HOW AL LOST THE WEIGHT !!!!!!!
FORGE, I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT QUESTION TOO, KINDA WORRIED ABOUT ASKING SIMPLE QUESTIONS ANYMORE !!!!!!!! LOL
REGARDS
BUNGLE
BUNGLE- Number of posts: 216
Age: 51
Location: HERTS (2" BURRELL)
Registration date: 2008-06-17
Countersinking the holes to hold the spring strips, & safety valves
Hi Guys
Try using a drill rather than a countersinking tool. Thats all I used and I didn't have any problems with mucking up the threads. The screws are very small and difficult to put in. I'm only used to big screws (in my dreams!) but even I was able to manage them. The thread is M2 coarse which has a 0.4 pitch. We do have a couple of spare taps, so if you do muck them up, ring Isabel and we'll lend one to you. Alternatively send the bits back to us and we'll put the countersinks in.
Just to confirm we (I) did forget to include the oiler for the governor. We'll put it in kit 17 which should be out next week.
You can disassemble the safety valve for polishing, but you will of course need to set it again. Count the threads or measure a distance that you can refer to when re-assembling, but veer on the safe side when you put it back together. Better that the safeties go off at 80psi rather than 150psi on the first steaming! It is also just about possible to leave the adjusting nut alone and pull the lever off, then un-hook the spring, but it's not easy and probably not worth doing.
Regards
Steve
Try using a drill rather than a countersinking tool. Thats all I used and I didn't have any problems with mucking up the threads. The screws are very small and difficult to put in. I'm only used to big screws (in my dreams!) but even I was able to manage them. The thread is M2 coarse which has a 0.4 pitch. We do have a couple of spare taps, so if you do muck them up, ring Isabel and we'll lend one to you. Alternatively send the bits back to us and we'll put the countersinks in.
Just to confirm we (I) did forget to include the oiler for the governor. We'll put it in kit 17 which should be out next week.
You can disassemble the safety valve for polishing, but you will of course need to set it again. Count the threads or measure a distance that you can refer to when re-assembling, but veer on the safe side when you put it back together. Better that the safeties go off at 80psi rather than 150psi on the first steaming! It is also just about possible to leave the adjusting nut alone and pull the lever off, then un-hook the spring, but it's not easy and probably not worth doing.
Regards
Steve
Steam Traction World- Number of posts: 305
Location: Daventry UK
Registration date: 2008-06-18

Re: Kit 24 - Govenor and Saftey valve
THANKS FOR THAT INFO STEVE.
THATS GREAT
BUNGLE
THATS GREAT
BUNGLE
BUNGLE- Number of posts: 216
Age: 51
Location: HERTS (2" BURRELL)
Registration date: 2008-06-17
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